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LPG Cheap forever?

Postby jackytwoshoes » 13 Jan 2010, 21:24

I'm going to get booked into gassure pretty soon.
Thing is- do you think LPG will ALWAYS be nearly half the price of petrol?
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Re: LPG Cheap forever?

Postby mirams » 14 Jan 2010, 14:27

For the next couple of years the last budget stated they planned to reduce the "duty differential" between LPG and petrol by 1p a year. (There is a differential - so LPG duty is, say, 30p less than petrol duty. But when they put up petrol LPG goes up too). So the difference is going down, but only very slowly, and gas itself is cheaper than petrol regardless of the tax. Since people are becoming more concerned about green issues I imagine the next government - whoever it is - won't do anything more drastic. I've already recouped my conversion costs in less than 18 months, so go for it!
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Re: LPG Cheap forever?

Postby Ian Hulley » 15 Jan 2010, 10:40

It's a real no-brainer, the flat 4 engines LOVE gas and run quieter and smoother with hardly (if any) noticeable power loss. It was ~36ppl when Steve converted ours and on my mileage (about 20K) it paid for itself in 4 months, so since then it's been 50% cheaper motoring .... had to spend more time round this shower though :roll: no excuses for not going camping. :evil:

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Re: LPG Cheap forever?

Postby Cruz » 10 Feb 2010, 13:01

I used to love it about 2 years ago when my LPG was 36.9 and petrol was just over a pound (before it came back down to 87.9 briefly)

Now gas is 57.9 and petrol 108.9 it doesn't have the same feel as it's now under 50% :cry:

Still ££££££££££££££££ in though :ok
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Re: LPG Cheap forever?

Postby ginge » 10 Feb 2010, 14:18

love to have a tank with a pump on it the guy in the local pays 32 a l now was 27 just before xmas he has a large tank for heating etc any ideas lol
if my vans a rocking dont worry fixing it again lol
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Re: LPG Cheap forever?

Postby phredd » 12 Feb 2010, 21:10

Since my conversion to LPG, over four years ago, my cost to go anyplace has gone down and my standard of living has gone up.
I know that cos I can now have three pints a night instead of just one. :ok
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Re: LPG Cheap forever?

Postby Mocki » 14 Feb 2010, 09:55

its going to take a awfull long while for lpg to catch perperpetrol up, even if its only 20ppl cheaper its cheaper, and thats what matters to the real people.
its 57ppl round here and derderv and perpetrol are 118ppl......... that still about half in my book........
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Re: LPG Cheap forever?

Postby John Potter » 16 Feb 2010, 13:51

ginge wrote:love to have a tank with a pump on it the guy in the local pays 32 a l now was 27 just before xmas he has a large tank for heating etc any ideas lol


Isnt that illegal ? using a vehicle on the road with fuel that hasnt had road duty paid ? bit like using red derv ?

And do you trust the government not to change its mind on LPG duty at the drop of a hat after the next election - there's a lot of money needed from somewhere and the motorist is always an easy target ! :evil:
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Re: LPG Cheap forever?

Postby Dubstar » 06 Mar 2010, 09:11

I think it is but I don't see how they could test the gas. I mean, red diesel is red and they can just take the cap off and "dip" the tank so to speak to check if it is red or not, whereas gas is under pressure and you can't just take the cap off and have look. But it would be nice to have the big tank with a car filler attached......
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Re: LPG Cheap forever?

Postby kevtherev » 06 Mar 2010, 10:59

John Potter wrote:
ginge wrote:love to have a tank with a pump on it the guy in the local pays 32 a l now was 27 just before xmas he has a large tank for heating etc any ideas lol


Isnt that illegal ? using a vehicle on the road with fuel that hasnt had road duty paid ? bit like using red derv ?

And do you trust the government not to change its mind on LPG duty at the drop of a hat after the next election - there's a lot of money needed from somewhere and the motorist is always an easy target ! :evil:


LPG duty is relatively more than petrol duty.. wholesale price is 19p/liter, the rest is tax ..

Liquefied petroleum gas (LPG), is the generic name for propane and butane gas. They are both a mixture of hydrocarbon gases used as a fuel in heating appliances and vehicles
Why is it called Liquefied Petroleum Gas?
.... because these gases liquefy under moderate pressure and they readily vaporize upon release of pressure. At normal temperatures and pressures, LPG will evaporate. Because of this, LPG is stored in steel tanks. In order to allow for thermal expansion of the liquid gas, these tanks are filled between 80% and 85% of their capacity. The ratio between the volumes of the vaporised gas and the liquefied gas varies depending on composition, pressure and temperature, but is typically around 250:1. LPG is heavier than air, and thus will flow along floors and tend to settle in low spots, such as basements.
Where does LPG come from? LPG is manufactured during the refining of crude oil, or extracted from oil or gas streams as they emerge from the ground. There are several terminals situated around the coast of the UK. LPG is either delivered by sea tanker or piped in from offshore gas fields.


How will a supplier calculate the cost of LPG to an end user?
Typically based on the following:

* the current wholesale market price of LPG (quoted in $US);
* the cost per tonne payable to the terminal provider for providing the facility to store and collect the LPG;
* primary distribution costs from the terminal to the supplier's depot;
* secondary distribution costs from the depot to the end user;
* overhead operating costs;
* a margin or profit over and above the core costs.

Useful Conversion Factors

All values relate to liquid propane

* 4.16 litres= 1 therm = 100,000 BTU
* 0.141 litres = 1KW
* 29.3701 KW = 1 therm = 100,000 BTU
* 0.242 therms = 1 litre
* 7.08 KW = 1 litre = 24.170 BTU
* 1 KW = 3412 BTU
* 1 litre = 9.66 cu.ft
* 0.104 litre = 40 cu.ft
* 1 therm = 40 cu.ft
* 1 Kg = 1.985 litres = 47.132 BTU
* 0.512 Kg = 1 litre
* 2000 litres = 1000 Kg = 1 tonne = 474 therms
* 1 tonne = 18.880 cu.ft
* 3.85 litres = 1m3 Vapour
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Re: LPG Cheap forever?

Postby matt » 25 Mar 2010, 05:36

unchanged in the budget :D
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Re: LPG Cheap forever?

Postby T'Onion » 25 Mar 2010, 07:01

matt wrote:unchanged in the budget :D


Not strictly true Matt , up by a few pence , unlike the bio-stuff :roll:

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Re: LPG Cheap forever?

Postby ghost123uk » 25 Mar 2010, 10:05

kevtherev wrote:
Useful Conversion Factors

All values relate to liquid propane

* 4.16 litres= 1 therm = 100,000 BTU
* 0.141 litres = 1KW
* 29.3701 KW = 1 therm = 100,000 BTU
* 0.242 therms = 1 litre
* 7.08 KW = 1 litre = 24.170 BTU
* 1 KW = 3412 BTU
* 1 litre = 9.66 cu.ft
* 0.104 litre = 40 cu.ft
* 1 therm = 40 cu.ft
* 1 Kg = 1.985 litres = 47.132 BTU
* 0.512 Kg = 1 litre
* 2000 litres = 1000 Kg = 1 tonne = 474 therms
* 1 tonne = 18.880 cu.ft
* 3.85 litres = 1m3 Vapour


Now that is very good info for me :ok

It helps me work summat out - see thread at viewtopic.php?f=1&t=66118
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